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		<title>By: Young Professional</title>
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		<dc:creator>Young Professional</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 08:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a big part of the appeal was not only the compensation packages, but the time committment required and the exit options.  When you took on a job at a top Ibank or MC firm, chances were that you&#039;d only stay two years and then move onto something else - and that the chances that you could move onto something ideal for you (because of branding, network, etc.).  In that way, taking a job at one of these companies was essentially delaying the transition between college and career, because you didn&#039;t have to decide what you wanted to do but could still feel like your first step out of university was putting you on the path to something bigger and better (I&#039;d say this ties into the &quot;instant gratification&quot; desires of our generation).  Consider also that Teach for America, another temporary rotational program, was also very popular with elite college graduates.  

Another thing is that these cushy jobs took people from any major and provided great training for you - something virtually no other employer did/does.  I (personally) think the concept of the liberal arts education is slowly dying as more and more students specialize their disciplines earlier.  For example, I specialized in energy politics with a few courses in economics.  I wanted to apply to this management trainee program: http://www.eon-us.com/careers/graduate.asp, but was told that without finance as a major (strictly as a major) then I was ineligible.  Granted, energy companies are pretty conservative everywhere, but I think it&#039;s a good example of how most companies dont value a liberal arts education, and though my network from my elite LAC opened doors, there&#039;s still a feeling of frustration leftover.  In this way, for a bright, fresh college graduate, a start with investment banking was a great option because I could still study what I wanted (social science) and use my smarts for a career elsewhere.  How I can transition my liberal arts degree to employers who are increasingly skeptical of the value of studying history or politics is a question that is, though not impossible, difficult to answer.  And ultimately, one that made starting out in consulting and banking more attractive.  

The final appeal of these jobs was that you didn&#039;t have to start at the bottom.  Instant gratification, I know.  Why should I take a standard job out of college planning events for people when I could take a job that would virtually guarantee that I would be one of the people for whom events are planned?  I turned down an otherwise ideal job as an events planner (I use this example because it&#039;s very standard post-college work, esp. in Washington, DC) becuase I wasn&#039;t sure if as a woman I would be pigeonholed into always being the girl setting up the podium rather than speaking at it.  For sure, a lot would depend on my own initiative and drive, but at the same time I know a lot of employers value &quot;substantive&quot; work (research, idea generation, etc.) and the transition from &quot;a typical&quot; entry-level job to an outstanding one down the road is much more clear in a springboard field like banking or consulting, wheras it wasn&#039;t with politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a big part of the appeal was not only the compensation packages, but the time committment required and the exit options.  When you took on a job at a top Ibank or MC firm, chances were that you&#8217;d only stay two years and then move onto something else &#8211; and that the chances that you could move onto something ideal for you (because of branding, network, etc.).  In that way, taking a job at one of these companies was essentially delaying the transition between college and career, because you didn&#8217;t have to decide what you wanted to do but could still feel like your first step out of university was putting you on the path to something bigger and better (I&#8217;d say this ties into the &#8220;instant gratification&#8221; desires of our generation).  Consider also that Teach for America, another temporary rotational program, was also very popular with elite college graduates.  </p>
<p>Another thing is that these cushy jobs took people from any major and provided great training for you &#8211; something virtually no other employer did/does.  I (personally) think the concept of the liberal arts education is slowly dying as more and more students specialize their disciplines earlier.  For example, I specialized in energy politics with a few courses in economics.  I wanted to apply to this management trainee program: <a href="http://www.eon-us.com/careers/graduate.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.eon-us.com/careers/graduate.asp</a>, but was told that without finance as a major (strictly as a major) then I was ineligible.  Granted, energy companies are pretty conservative everywhere, but I think it&#8217;s a good example of how most companies dont value a liberal arts education, and though my network from my elite LAC opened doors, there&#8217;s still a feeling of frustration leftover.  In this way, for a bright, fresh college graduate, a start with investment banking was a great option because I could still study what I wanted (social science) and use my smarts for a career elsewhere.  How I can transition my liberal arts degree to employers who are increasingly skeptical of the value of studying history or politics is a question that is, though not impossible, difficult to answer.  And ultimately, one that made starting out in consulting and banking more attractive.  </p>
<p>The final appeal of these jobs was that you didn&#8217;t have to start at the bottom.  Instant gratification, I know.  Why should I take a standard job out of college planning events for people when I could take a job that would virtually guarantee that I would be one of the people for whom events are planned?  I turned down an otherwise ideal job as an events planner (I use this example because it&#8217;s very standard post-college work, esp. in Washington, DC) becuase I wasn&#8217;t sure if as a woman I would be pigeonholed into always being the girl setting up the podium rather than speaking at it.  For sure, a lot would depend on my own initiative and drive, but at the same time I know a lot of employers value &#8220;substantive&#8221; work (research, idea generation, etc.) and the transition from &#8220;a typical&#8221; entry-level job to an outstanding one down the road is much more clear in a springboard field like banking or consulting, wheras it wasn&#8217;t with politics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More colleges and universities need to include those case studies about non-profit and entrepreneurial management.  Communities and economies will only be able to thrive if our best and brightest follow those paths.  That being said, our communities need to then support non-profits and entrepreneurs, both from the financial standpoint as well as mentoring those leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More colleges and universities need to include those case studies about non-profit and entrepreneurial management.  Communities and economies will only be able to thrive if our best and brightest follow those paths.  That being said, our communities need to then support non-profits and entrepreneurs, both from the financial standpoint as well as mentoring those leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 22:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsey, I definitely identify with the “hope growing in me” which you describe is – there seems to be a confluence of factors which are likely to reshape the way we see work. I think this current economic crisis is acting as a catalyst to this change.

I think there is and has been a growing discontentment with the “cubicle farm” life. Really bright grads coming out of school and going into these large banks and law firms often just become cogs in a big wheel, and lose a lot of their ability to be creative and explore interesting ideas. There is a change afoot, and the current generation seems to be less enamored with money than personal fulfillment.

The other factor I which I think is reshaping work, and the number of people starting to consider entrepreneurship as a real path is the internet, and specifically web 2.0. The barriers to entry which required a fair amount of start-up capital in most new ventures are no longer there. Sure, some more extravagant ventures need outside capital, but we can now create, publish, market and sell our own books, music, clothing, photos, advice/ expertise online for little to no cost. Industries which were the domain of large corporates have now been opened up to everybody with a good brain and an internet connection.

It is quite plausible, that, in as little as ten years we will see many more people choosing entrepreneurship as their “career path”. Very exciting days ahead…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsey, I definitely identify with the “hope growing in me” which you describe is – there seems to be a confluence of factors which are likely to reshape the way we see work. I think this current economic crisis is acting as a catalyst to this change.</p>
<p>I think there is and has been a growing discontentment with the “cubicle farm” life. Really bright grads coming out of school and going into these large banks and law firms often just become cogs in a big wheel, and lose a lot of their ability to be creative and explore interesting ideas. There is a change afoot, and the current generation seems to be less enamored with money than personal fulfillment.</p>
<p>The other factor I which I think is reshaping work, and the number of people starting to consider entrepreneurship as a real path is the internet, and specifically web 2.0. The barriers to entry which required a fair amount of start-up capital in most new ventures are no longer there. Sure, some more extravagant ventures need outside capital, but we can now create, publish, market and sell our own books, music, clothing, photos, advice/ expertise online for little to no cost. Industries which were the domain of large corporates have now been opened up to everybody with a good brain and an internet connection.</p>
<p>It is quite plausible, that, in as little as ten years we will see many more people choosing entrepreneurship as their “career path”. Very exciting days ahead…</p>
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		<title>By: Maggie Mistal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maggie Mistal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love your perspective Lindsey.  I was blinded by the money in my first career out of college.  I thought that if I could make a living financially that would suit my needs.  I could buy whatever I needed to make me happy.  And unfortunately most people I worked with felt and acted the same way.  Many told me that if work was meant to be fun, they wouldn&#039;t call it work.  

Since that time my perspective on career happiness and how I make a living have changed dramatically.  I now have work I love and make a great salary.  It&#039;s happening in many areas of the economy.  For examples just check out Fast Company&#039;s Social Capitalist awards.  

Making money and loving what you do are no longer polar opposites.  I&#039;m an example and you too are a great example Lindsey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love your perspective Lindsey.  I was blinded by the money in my first career out of college.  I thought that if I could make a living financially that would suit my needs.  I could buy whatever I needed to make me happy.  And unfortunately most people I worked with felt and acted the same way.  Many told me that if work was meant to be fun, they wouldn&#8217;t call it work.  </p>
<p>Since that time my perspective on career happiness and how I make a living have changed dramatically.  I now have work I love and make a great salary.  It&#8217;s happening in many areas of the economy.  For examples just check out Fast Company&#8217;s Social Capitalist awards.  </p>
<p>Making money and loving what you do are no longer polar opposites.  I&#8217;m an example and you too are a great example Lindsey!</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
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		<dc:creator>T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsey- I witnessed the same thing my senior year of college (May 08). With a degree in business and finance all of my peers focused on banking and big names. I felt very alone wanting to apply my degree to smaller, less corporate types of companies and thinking about even dabble in marketing (not finance). I graduated without a job since I realized the financial analyst and banking positions I was being offered were not for me. I am so glad I was able to push my uneasiness aside and find something I was much more interested in than banking. Your article has so many great points! It seems students have tons of interests as Freshmen and sure they change, but there are tons of opportunities in the business world that do not focus solely on banking and other financial services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsey- I witnessed the same thing my senior year of college (May 08). With a degree in business and finance all of my peers focused on banking and big names. I felt very alone wanting to apply my degree to smaller, less corporate types of companies and thinking about even dabble in marketing (not finance). I graduated without a job since I realized the financial analyst and banking positions I was being offered were not for me. I am so glad I was able to push my uneasiness aside and find something I was much more interested in than banking. Your article has so many great points! It seems students have tons of interests as Freshmen and sure they change, but there are tons of opportunities in the business world that do not focus solely on banking and other financial services.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey Pollak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 15:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Miriam - I love your suggestion that we may see a spike in entrepreneurship. Will keep my eye out for such a trend. So glad you are doing what you love!

@Marcie - Great points, too. Interesting to think about how B schools will change according to the new financial universe.

@Carol - Thanks for your comments. Maybe that is the silver lining in this crisis -- prioritizing one&#039;s satisfaction above compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Miriam &#8211; I love your suggestion that we may see a spike in entrepreneurship. Will keep my eye out for such a trend. So glad you are doing what you love!</p>
<p>@Marcie &#8211; Great points, too. Interesting to think about how B schools will change according to the new financial universe.</p>
<p>@Carol &#8211; Thanks for your comments. Maybe that is the silver lining in this crisis &#8212; prioritizing one&#8217;s satisfaction above compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Carol Frohlinger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carol Frohlinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 13:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsey - I couldn&#039;t agree more; people have to prioritize what is important to them.  Simply taking the job that offers the biggest compensation package without considering whether you will actually like the work you do is a recipe for an unhappy career. And, since the satisfaction level one has with the work one does is inextricably linked to overall happiness, it&#039;s a huge price to pay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsey &#8211; I couldn&#8217;t agree more; people have to prioritize what is important to them.  Simply taking the job that offers the biggest compensation package without considering whether you will actually like the work you do is a recipe for an unhappy career. And, since the satisfaction level one has with the work one does is inextricably linked to overall happiness, it&#8217;s a huge price to pay.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 11:44:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good points Lindsey.  No question that Top B School students within a 500 mile radius of Wall Street have had their eyes on lower Manhattan for years.  Just like the west coast students had their eyes on Silicon Valley during the tech boom.  

I have been lucky to be working in career centers in California during the tech boom and bust and now working with college grads on the east coast during this Wall Street boom and bust. 

Much of what you say is true.  I do believe, however, that many college grads learn quickly and and parlay their networks and new knowledge into careers beyond Wall Street.    

Many of these students are influenced greatly also by professors who push investment banking as the be all and end all.  

Trust me, in Finance or Accounting 101, you will not get any case studies about managing a non-profit organization.  I imagine that for the next several years they will still be talking about Wall Street and what went wrong. Except now, college seniors will be encouraged to go to a good grad B school and then go fix it.  

I think that&#039;s bad advice, but I think that is what they will hear in the classroom.   

Blogs like yours really gets the reality out there and that is a good thing.  

Marcie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good points Lindsey.  No question that Top B School students within a 500 mile radius of Wall Street have had their eyes on lower Manhattan for years.  Just like the west coast students had their eyes on Silicon Valley during the tech boom.  </p>
<p>I have been lucky to be working in career centers in California during the tech boom and bust and now working with college grads on the east coast during this Wall Street boom and bust. </p>
<p>Much of what you say is true.  I do believe, however, that many college grads learn quickly and and parlay their networks and new knowledge into careers beyond Wall Street.    </p>
<p>Many of these students are influenced greatly also by professors who push investment banking as the be all and end all.  </p>
<p>Trust me, in Finance or Accounting 101, you will not get any case studies about managing a non-profit organization.  I imagine that for the next several years they will still be talking about Wall Street and what went wrong. Except now, college seniors will be encouraged to go to a good grad B school and then go fix it.  </p>
<p>I think that&#8217;s bad advice, but I think that is what they will hear in the classroom.   </p>
<p>Blogs like yours really gets the reality out there and that is a good thing.  </p>
<p>Marcie</p>
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		<title>By: Miriam Salpeter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Miriam Salpeter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindsey - I think this will happen by default - as there are fewer firms hiring entry level workers on Wall Street and consulting firms trim their recruiting efforts, those graduates must inevitably find somewhere else to focus their talents. I wonder if we will look back and see a huge bubble of young entrepreneurs as a result of this economic situation.

I was a new grad who went to Wall Street, although in my case, it wasn&#039;t by design. Luckily, I recognized that it wasn&#039;t a life I wanted years BEFORE my department (and then my firm) was swallowed up. I concur that money is nice, but having a life (and a job I love)  is nicer!

The fact is, we know that no job is really &quot;safe.&quot; Hopefully, students  who were relying on on-campus recruiting for opportunities have taken some time to learn about how to get jobs that aren&#039;t waiting on a platter. Students who know what they have to offer, how to properly network and market themselves will do well. No matter how high their grades, those who aren&#039;t willing or able to get out there and hit the ground running may be left behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindsey &#8211; I think this will happen by default &#8211; as there are fewer firms hiring entry level workers on Wall Street and consulting firms trim their recruiting efforts, those graduates must inevitably find somewhere else to focus their talents. I wonder if we will look back and see a huge bubble of young entrepreneurs as a result of this economic situation.</p>
<p>I was a new grad who went to Wall Street, although in my case, it wasn&#8217;t by design. Luckily, I recognized that it wasn&#8217;t a life I wanted years BEFORE my department (and then my firm) was swallowed up. I concur that money is nice, but having a life (and a job I love)  is nicer!</p>
<p>The fact is, we know that no job is really &#8220;safe.&#8221; Hopefully, students  who were relying on on-campus recruiting for opportunities have taken some time to learn about how to get jobs that aren&#8217;t waiting on a platter. Students who know what they have to offer, how to properly network and market themselves will do well. No matter how high their grades, those who aren&#8217;t willing or able to get out there and hit the ground running may be left behind.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsey Pollak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindsey Pollak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 03:03:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Carmen - thanks! Hope all is well.

- Lindsey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Carmen &#8211; thanks! Hope all is well.</p>
<p>- Lindsey</p>
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